nbr19
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Post by nbr19 on Sept 5, 2007 21:03:54 GMT -5
Just thinking out loud here, is there any interest in trying to get Tobias to allow a 2 barrel Jr. class? Maybe make it 13-15 yrs old? So they can get a little more experience before deciding to move up with the "adults". I know this may not work as it would cut down the car count in 1Bbl, but when I was running SRs full time the last couple of years, some of these kids were outta control. Just lookin for input, and yea my little brother is 13, he will move up if he "has" to but I'd like some time w/ 2bbl before he does. What do you guys think? Any interset?
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Post by nbr19 on Sept 8, 2007 21:17:39 GMT -5
Wow, no opinion's on this board!!?? I figured I respond to see if maybe this thread was buried beneath the "POLLS"
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Post by fastrak47 on Sept 10, 2007 8:08:56 GMT -5
Some one who feels like I do?? I think their should be a 13 to 17 class as at most tracks I run with a-lot of young adults and they are at times a little overzelous.. I feel bad running into someone who I know is much younger than me and if I do will their parents beat me up!!! A couple of weeks I had that problem at Oakland Valley and was completely blown away by it.. It was as if they're was no way for me to respond or defend myself and just walked away.. If Tobias was to Make a Class dedicated to the 13-15 age bracket I think it would be safer for all competitors.. Maybe even re-name the classes like Amateur-Novice-Professional.. It would of all changed if there was more racing in NJ with the 16yr old driving limit??? Maybe something like this will happen if there is racing at New Egypt next year???
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Post by zenracing on Sept 10, 2007 10:49:15 GMT -5
I agree that the teens should have their own class. A kid running with full parents backing doesn't have to really be concerned with the cost of aggressive racing. Also a 35 year old "moving" a 15 year old on the track doesn't sit well with me but if it has to be... When the helmets go on we are all racers and everyone plays on the same level. If a teen or adult bumps me I will bump them back. Whats fair is fair. I try to be as clean as I possibly can, I have just seen a lot of nonsense with the younger drivers. I have seen some things in the Jr. class at Hamlin that make me dread certain drivers running the Sr. Class against a privateer like myself. I am not talking about everyone. There are great young drivers that I have raced against this year (who have whooped my butt) but there are some knuckleheads (older racers too!) out there. Giving them a few years to beat each other up rather than us older drivers sounds like a great idea to me. I have talked to a few older drivers that feel the same. I think it should also be mandatory for all rookies (regardless of age or racing division)to start in the back of the pack for a certain amount of races. The first 5 or 6 races I was in this year I told the track that I wanted to start in the rear. This way I could learn without putting myself, my car and my opponents in harms way. Thats my 2 cents...
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Post by flatcreek on Sept 10, 2007 14:46:28 GMT -5
I feel the same about moving a 15 year old or even younger. I raced Anthony Perrego pretty hard one night at Oakland valley and when I finally meet him a few weeks later I felt bad I had no idea he was so young, he's such a good driver. I bumped and banged with his dad Tommy in the super seniors at Hamlin later in the year and I didn't feel bad at all. That is one of the reasons I like the super seniors at Hamlin. In the John Drake 60 at Borgers I had the same issues with a little guy. I'm just talking about rubbing is racing nothing more, I just had a hard time rubbing them back. ( they should have more respect for there elders and just let us win) . I think starting in the back for a few races is a good idea. I also think tracks should handicap the heats and start the features straight up, let the fast guys race in the feature. Putting slower cars and inexperienced drivers up front on a crowded track leads to cautions. Let them start up front in the heat when there's more room to race. If they can stay there then put them in the appropriate place in the feature. As for the 2bbl I think that true juniors should probably stay with the 1BBL. Don't forget they are 70 lbs lighter and a 2bbl would make them a lot faster or they would have to add a lot of weight to there car. Some have to add weight to make 685.
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Post by racingmom on Sept 10, 2007 15:59:31 GMT -5
I agree that they should have another class for 12-17 year olds..but I must say that some adults should be in a "rookie class"themselves..and for you Jason , I came to your face and told you that I didnt like the start of the feature at Oakland Valley because you persistantly had to come up on Kayla on the start not once but 3 times..you couldnt just run your line you had to push her out...you were on the preferred line(you started pole)..if it bothered you so much you should have came to me instead of making it public notice on the internet...and the only reason I did come to you and say something was because the week before you had to run into kayla during a practice and then when she came back and gave it back to you you said something to her about it, like she did something wrong ...at least I came to you, I never yelled, I never raised my voice I just told you how I loved your start...If you had a problem you should have spoke your mind...at that point you were dealing with an adult not a 15 year old....you get on the internet and make it sound like you do no wrong , maybe you should look in the mirror...Im not trying to argue with you over this but there are 2 sides to every story and I think the other side of the story should come out...
Jessie
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Post by cooldriver8 on Sept 10, 2007 18:14:31 GMT -5
That sounds cool.
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nbr19
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Post by nbr19 on Sept 10, 2007 20:52:28 GMT -5
Some younger drivers can run with adults, but there are others who need that extra time to develop. Having the 2bbl, going faster would let them gain the expirience they may need. I guess weight may be an issue but could be altered. Go karts have gradual increases, as the restrictor plates get larger, theweight for each class also increases. AS far as "naming" them. You could have Jr's (1bbl), Advanced Jr's (2bbl). Or Novice (1bbl) and Jr's (2bbl).
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Post by slinger3 on Sept 10, 2007 21:04:06 GMT -5
if you have that many names or classes then it will become like the karts... 30 diff classes with 3 cars in each...
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bill49
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Post by bill49 on Sept 10, 2007 21:17:14 GMT -5
GOKART CLASSES :
kid kart jr 1 jr 2 jr restricted jr stock jr animal stock light stock med stock heavy stock super heavy animal light animal heavy 2 cylce light 2 cycle heavy champ karts... a bunch of those I know I am still missing a few
at most tracks... most of these classes only have three or four karts each.
NOW SLINGSHOT CLASSES :
REGULAR SLINGSHOTS JR SLINGSHOTS SUPER SLINGERS ( at Hamlin )
Other than at Hamlin and Linda's and sometimes Borger's , There aren't full fields of slingers right now .... adding another class would thin out the slinger fields just like most go-kart tracks. I don't think the current car counts can support another class.
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Post by slinger3 on Sept 10, 2007 21:25:20 GMT -5
well put and thats what i ment to say just not as good as that..
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Post by fastrak47 on Sept 10, 2007 23:49:06 GMT -5
Racingmom, I wasn't trying to name names per say but now that this is out in the open I guess I once again have no answer to the above comment and would wish for this to stop and start being adults about the situation!!!! If I remember the practice situation correctly I appoligized to Kayla about it and said I didn't see her as all us slinger drivers know it is hard to see someone next to you unless they are directly next to you... I look forward when I race and not side to side... I asked Kayla several times what was wrong and she said and I quote "I don't know" and your reply was "don't take it personal"... A perfect time for Kayla and I to settle the situation and to finish it but you did it for her weeks later catching me off guard. This is where I get back to running with your age group is great and you parents can duke it out on your own... Perfect example, Charlie Bodine and I got tangled in the heat race on a perticular evening and he bashed me wich I knew was coming and he and I squashed it right after the situation had happened!!!!! LIKE ADULTS!!!!! We continue to chat and have fun with eachother and thats what I enjoy not the baby games that continue over the course of weeks... I think Kayla is a very talented driver and will be a superstar someday and I hope to continue as FRIENDS to see it happen!!!!
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Post by racingmom on Sept 11, 2007 7:35:06 GMT -5
Jay, the night I talk to you and told you about your driving was the same night-(5 minutes after the feature),I was an adult I told you what I thought ,you walked away not saying a word and 3 weeks later I read about it on the internet ,I wasnt playing"baby games" I addressed what I had to say the very same night like and an adult and you walked away and I let it go,.you could have expressed your opinion of this forum without bringing our conversation into it..I dont want this to be a drawn out issue but maybe you should stop using terms like "baby games" and "ADULTS" , because if you had a problem with what I said to you, you should of been an adult and talk to me 3 saturdays ago when this conversation happened..This should of of been a private conversation not a public conversation on the internet. If you feel the need to keep this conversation going; instead of letting it go, talk to me on Saturday..
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Post by Just a Fan on Sept 11, 2007 7:47:09 GMT -5
Just an outsider’s perspective. It doesn’t appear to me that Fastrak named anyone in his original post. It looks like he was just using what happened as an example and that was it. Racingmom you are the one that started to name names. If you had just ignored what was said none of this ever would have been brought out into the open. People would have just read what Fastrak wrote and moved on and never would have put any thought behind who he was talking about.
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Post by flatcreek on Sept 11, 2007 8:07:10 GMT -5
I agree 30 different classes is not the way to go. On the other hand with 10 to 15 cars on the track like the Supers or jrs at some tracks we have very good racing. Sat at Borgers the jrs when caution free with ten cars and there was a lot of passing. I've also had many fun races in the Supers at Hamlin with a lot of passing and not a lot of banging. So maybe 3 or 4 at the most, with the structure being thought out very carefully as to not end up with 3 cars in a class. Maybe a class like the Super over 35 and over 785 but also allow drivers that are over 18 and over 785 without adding weight. I've always thought the heaver driver should have a place to race with a even playing field.
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