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Post by vanvarikracing on Sept 25, 2007 20:02:22 GMT -5
Setting the record straight.
Now that season is almost over at Borger’s Speedway, we’d like to set the record straight about all the controversy in the Junior Slingshot division and what was behind our protests. All we asked for was a level playing field for everyone. Rules are supposed to be followed and promises kept. We pursued the age question because other teams had expressed the same outrage that we did. ….at least they did in private. When it came to stepping forward, they were reluctant. Considering the way in which the “vote” was conducted by track officials, that is not hard to understand. Maybe age restrictions will be enforced next year. Our position had nothing to do with points. As one of the postings said, watching someone take candy from a baby isn’t what racing is supposed to be. The other problem is the total lack of thorough inspection of race cars (all classes) to make sure everyone is legal. We’ve been around racing a very long time and have never seen the honor system in use at any track or have any faith that it works. That’s it. No personal agenda other than wanting to see honest competition. We do want to thank those brave enough to express their support, whether they want to sign their names or not. George Van Varick and Mike Azzalina
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bozo
Junior Slingshot
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Post by bozo on Sept 26, 2007 0:07:11 GMT -5
Let's really set the record straight. there is no controversy. The only people complaining are you. No one else. The decision was made before the season started with everyone on the same playing field and with the blessing of Richard Tobias. It is time to get over it. If Lorenzi was in fifth place in points and not the leader nothing would even be said. This is nothing but sour grapes. The real sad part is the kids all get along it is the parents that are doing all the crying.
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6891
Junior Slingshot
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Post by 6891 on Sept 26, 2007 5:18:55 GMT -5
There are other places to race Jrs. If you feel that strongly perhaps trying another track and seeing if there is thorough tech there might change your opinion of Borgers. Give Snydersville a try on Fridays, or Oakland Valley on Saturdays. Running on other tracks is good experience anyway.
And to set the record straight further, those Tornado things that you run are ILLEGAL, as per Speedway Entertainment. Maybe you should be the ones to be tech'd???
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Post by bear95 on Sept 26, 2007 9:00:30 GMT -5
as newcomers to the track , it seemed to me that the playing field was level .our first race was at the end of june and when we arrived everyone was great to us and it seemed like everyone got along really well, there did not seem to0 be an issue at that point in the season, the only one that i wish had a better year was little jess . i would love to see her run up front . but you dont see her and her father whining. next year with danny moving up it would appear to me that you guys will run away with the points, so why should anyone evan come back in the juniors. however , i think there will be a strong field next year and i believe there will be tight points racing and thats why we all show up on saturday , correct? maybe you guys should become head of tech . i would like to see more teching . thats how people learn , by watching what other are doing . and you know as well as i do that the more you learn , the more brave you get with trying stuff. hopefully next year there will be a level playing field for you guys and we can just all race and have fun and stop being a bunch of girls and go racing . congrats to ALL the juniors for putting on a great show this past saturday
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bubba
Junior Slingshot
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Post by bubba on Sept 26, 2007 13:02:24 GMT -5
Just in case you are going to run at other tracks Oakland Valley has it posted on their website that juniors are 8-13...I was on there checking out the schedule...might head up there in a couple of weeks, they are off the 6th...cant make it this week ...heading for lindas
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Post by Angry Dad on Sept 26, 2007 17:18:39 GMT -5
"And to set the record straight further, those Tornado things that you run are ILLEGAL, as per Speedway Entertainment. Maybe you should be the ones to be tech'd??? "
So why not run one then? If you know the track isnt going to tech... get one and keep up. I dont even know what your talking about exactly but this is just another problem with the spec racing.. an invention that clearly works.. is readily available and inexpensive.. remains illegal until the God of Racing decides to make some money and allow it to be sold.
How do you think people came up with the carb spacers.. and the bigger air filters.. and the high flow fuel pumps.. and the stainless valves.. blueprinted carbs.. threaded coil over adjusters..chain oilers.. non autolite plugs.. All of these things and more which are now legal because someone came up with them.
I like slingshot racing because of the simplicity.. but i've never seen a division that rejects and puts so much malice and hatred towards innovation and improvement in my life.
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Post by zenracing on Sept 26, 2007 18:17:58 GMT -5
Angry Dad,
Not being a smartass, what is this Tornado thing they are talking about. You can privately message me if you want. Sorry for your drama this year.
Have a good offseason.
Oakland Valley runs til the end of october.
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Post by ron12 on Sept 26, 2007 20:03:23 GMT -5
Angry dad, Spes is spec, We all got into this knowing that. just because a track doesn't tech, that doesn't make it ok. There needs to be tech at all tracks.
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6891
Junior Slingshot
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Post by 6891 on Sept 27, 2007 5:05:51 GMT -5
When they go from the back to the front its because of a good driver!!!!!!
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Post by frankiej on Sept 27, 2007 10:06:59 GMT -5
Let's think about this a second, and take in what has been said in this forum. #1 I have been teched at Borger's Speedway acouple of times throughout the year, I only run there sometimes and have been teched. One time carbs were checked, another time shocks were checked, and just last week they checked all the flywheels. So I don't see much in this statement. #2 The Azzalina kids are good drivers that, just like everyone else has developed through the year. It is my though as well as others, that George has helped to develope these kids into rough riders that are going the wrong way. As far as tech, watch what you wish for, I know Georges history with shocks, so maybe the management can start there with those cars. If you guys don't like it, go race somewhere else, I am sure the racing world will go on! To Danny Lorenzi, great job! Way to stay with it and not let these guys bother you. You did nothing wrong, except kick butt this year. I can't wait to race against you in the regulars next year.
C YA at the track!
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Post by fastrak47 on Sept 27, 2007 19:01:37 GMT -5
Clearly stated in the slingshot rule book........ Carburetor must remain stock appearing, without any external modifications. Absolutely no metal can be removed. Air bleeder holes and jet size may be modified. Multiple carburetor spacers may be used. Carburetor spacers may be made out of aluminum, but they must match "stock" dimensions. Nothing is permitted to improve airflow through the carburetor. Stock butterflies and screws must be used. It also states this, All other rule infractions will result in a loss of illegal parts and points. Be glad you got away with it and to the other drivers at Borgers you didn't know the rules good enough to enforce it, your mistake... I think trying something is a good thing but don't cry when you get caught!!! Like I did.... I am also a firm believer in there should be a jr 2 barrel restricted class from the ages of 13-16 and the age of the driver should be backed up with a birth cirtificate and no exceptions!!! NO MOVING UP AND NO JR CHAMPIONSHIP BY PASSES EITHER!!!! I met Dannys Father at Snydersville and he seemed very genuine and said and I quote "he's never raced a car before and I didn't want him to get hurt" Honest and believeable and for that I commend him... Good run and hope to see you in the future... For those of you who don't know what a TORNADO is, It was created to reduce fuel milage in almost all cars and control the direction of air flow into the carberator and increase horsepower?? I have it in my race hauler trying to reduce the amount of money spent on fuel as I almost spent $3000 on gas to and from tracks this season alone... I thought it would work in my slinger as well but never tried it due to the rules stated above... Absolutly briliant and I applaud you and point a finger at those who knew and let this team get away with it... It falls back into the relm of how much money are you willing to spend in order to win and no matter what class of car you race thats the bottom line... I am selling out all of my equipment to race somthing else in order to try things that might be allowed and where there is a little more rieghn to do things.. Good luck to all of you in the future... Jay
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Post by Angry Dad on Sept 28, 2007 10:41:38 GMT -5
I really doubt much can be gained with the tornado on the slingshot motor the way its set up. The same principle applies to a fuel injected motor. Jason you said it was made to reduce fuel mileage... its claim is to increase mileage and power. However.. on nearly ALL real world tests in FI engines it actually reduced the amount of power as it acted more as a restriction in the intake. This is mainly tied to the fact that on 99% of FI engines the intake system is faced with multiple bends, angles and stops before the air charge reaches the combustion chamber. Therefore the principle of swirling the air to decrease its density and increase its volume does not apply because it simply can not maintain the swirl into the chamber. However.. on a carbureted engine (ex. the chevy 350) the intake is mounted directly on top of the engine with intake runners giving a mostly straight charge to the valves/c.c's. By swirling the air intake charge above the carburetor at this point the air volume can increase and more air molecules can be distributed faster into the intake runners which increases horsepower. Superchargers exponentially magnify this phenomenon by adding an extra propulsion to artificially aspirate the engine with more air. They also require proportionally more fuel to support this so the engine does not run dangerously lean.
What does this all mean? We all know Briggs engines are carbureted.. so you'd think it would work. However.. the intake charge on the slingshot motor is faced with not one.. not two.. but 3 90 degree turns before it hits the intake ports.. therefore most of the swirl action is gone and it may make the invention useless.
The slingshot gods could make alot more power by designing a different style carb setup that would basically not cost much and would increase airflow (i've seen them on other V-twin Briggs'). Free power.. for everyone in a car that is already sluggish and otherwise not powerful enough to pass freely (which is why there are so many "rough riding" threads).
Again however.. these items cost about $50-60. I think everyone can afford that. Why not make them legal? Because R.T didnt invent it and refuses to accept the innovation. I wouldnt bother to run anything that doesnt provide real world/dyno proven results.. but not everyone is like me and thats why these Tornado companies, Slick 50 and other manufacturers make a killing..
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